What's Hillary's Answer?

I'm not for Hillary for VP but clearly there are a lot of people who are and it appears many Clinton supporters are very passionate about the idea.  My basic problem with the pairing is that she represents the polar opposite of Obama campaign, but I can see how he could immediately turn that weakness into a strength by simply stressing the unity aspect of his campaign and that reaching across the aisle also means reaching across the tent.  One of his managerial strengths is surrounding himself with strong opinions on all sides.  People can call Hillary a lot of things but a yes-man is not one of them.

Here's the big problem though, and it's something he can't answer, only she can and she would have to.  How do you get past her assertion Obama is not ready to be commander-in-chief?  What is her answer to that?  Without being able to reverse that convincingly, then she cannot be the VP.  What is her answer?



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the major problem (2.00 / 1)

If Hillary had never compared McCain favorably to Obama, there would be no problem with a "unity" ticket.

There is simply no way for her to be able to answer the question of why it is that she would serve as VP to a person she said was not competent to serve as Commander in chief.


by highgrade on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:45:22 PM EST

Re: the major problem (none / 0)

I agree... and I have yet to hear an explanation from her or her campaign for that either....


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:00:15 PM EST
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Re: the major problem (2.00 / 1)

She told the truth. Obama is woefully inexperienced.


by handsomegent on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:05:43 PM EST
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Re: What's Hillary's Answer? (2.00 / 1)

She never asserted Obama was not ready to be Commander-in-Chief.  That's your answer.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:47:09 PM EST

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You would think that would be easy to figure out .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:50:34 PM EST
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Re: What's Hillary's Answer? (2.00 / 1)

So, your take on the "CIC threshold" comment was what exactly..?  She said she had crossed it, that McCain had crossed it, and that "you will have to ask Senator Obama about it.."  


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:01:44 PM EST
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"She said she had crossed it, that McCain had crossed it, and that "you will have to ask Senator Obama about it.."

Ms. Clinton : "you will have to ask Senator Obama about it.."

Diariest : How do you get past her assertion Obama is not ready to be commander-in-chief?  

That should clear it up .

I don't think you would have to ask Obama  is equal to an assertion that he is not ready .

That clearly is not an assertion , I for one think he is not anyway.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:09:03 PM EST
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The "Commander-in-Chief" threshold is about whether voters think you're experienced enough to fill that role.  It has nothing to do with whether you're actually qualified.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:10:14 PM EST
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Re: What's Hillary's Answer? (none / 0)

By who's metric...?  Obama has experience via the Senate...  Beyond that, it was the same bullshit argument that the Republicans tried to use against Bill Clinton in 1992...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:15:31 PM EST
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By the voters' metric.  It's about what the voters think, not about some imaginary set of objective criteria.  If enough voters think Obama's Senate experience is sufficient, then he'll be golden; if not, he may have a problem.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:22:21 PM EST
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Re: What's Hillary's Answer? (none / 0)

When given the chance to say yes or no does he meet it, she implied strongly he is not ready.  Are you saying we get past this by parsing her sentence?  If she was chosen as VP this will immediately become the focus of the media and the Republicans.  What is her answer?  If her answer is no better than claiming she never said or implied that then that's a problem.


by Piuma on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:25:12 PM EST
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Re: What's Hillary's Answer? (none / 0)

You seem to be the one parsing an implication out of her words.  All I did was point out that what you call an "assertion" was not, in fact, an assertion.

"I never said he was unqualified, and I wouldn't be running as his Vice-President if I felt he was unqualified."  It's not hard.

I would suggest that you take a look at Kerry's bin Laden ad from 2004 if you want to see what questioning someone's experience REALLY looks like.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:35:05 PM EST
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It's that type of answer which took her from being the presumptive nominee at the start to the presumptive loser at the end.  People aren't fools no matter what your definition of is is.


by Piuma on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:58:31 PM EST
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Re: What's Hillary's Answer? (2.00 / 1)

this is bullshit. Howard Wolfson even said straight out when asked why, if he isn't qualified to be president, they would want him as vice president. he NEVER denied they said he wasn't qualified. he said that maybe Barack could pass the national security threshold by the convention (lol?)

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/clinton -camp-says-obama-must-pass-national-secu rity-threshold-to-be-veep-2008-03-10.htm l

Wolfson repeated Clinton's weekend assertion that picking Obama is "not something she would rule out at this point," but he also repeated that Obama is not ready to be commander in chief, a key requirement to being Clinton's running mate.

When asked if Obama could do something to cross that "threshold," Wolfson said, "It's not something that I'm prepared to rule out at this time."


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:22:30 PM EST
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duh, she's not planning to die on day one?  She'll leave a manuel? he'll have her team in place and they can fill him in?  


by anna shane on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:05:19 PM EST

Re: What's Hillary's Answer? (none / 0)

Huh?


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton
by venician on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:49:23 PM EST
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forgot the question, did you?  


by anna shane on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:09:49 PM EST
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Obama will pick the person he thinks can best expand the map.


by Skaje on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:06:51 PM EST

Who (none / 0)

Jesus?
by linc on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:12:12 PM EST
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Re: Who (none / 0)

I never saw a comment of your's I agreed with, but that actually made me laugh out loud, in a non-snarky way.


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:23:45 PM EST
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No he won't. (none / 0)

He's already done that all by himself. He's expanded the map to 57 states. You can't possibly find someone who will expand it more than that.


by LatinoVoter on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:34:31 PM EST
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Re: What's Hillary's Answer? (none / 0)

The nomination has not been finalized yet and I have no opinion as to whether Clinton, if offered the VP position (assuming Obama wins the nomination) should accept.  So I'll restrict myself to answer your question which is, if Hillary has sharply criticized Obama during the campaign, doesn't that make it illogical for her to be offered or to accept the VP slot?

The answer to that is a definitive no.  Candidates always criticize each other during campaigns, and always make up after it's over and support each other, often offering each other VP slots or other cabinet positions.  That's just the way it works in the real world.  Edwards criticized Kerry a lot, Bush 1 criticized Reagan a lot, and Johnson criticized Kennedy a lot.  That's just the way things work and everybody understands it.


by markjay on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:29:28 PM EST

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I didn't want to speak for Hillary - I'm not a supporter so I wanted to see what supporters would say.  I don't see any answers here, just a little more bickering.  But there is an answer if Hillary is ready to change, if without the stress of running for President she can do something she should have done from the start:

Admit she was wrong.  She would have to say she learned a lot during the campaign - a lot about Obama, a lot about the country, and a lot about herself.  With Obama, he showed  strength and leadership qualities she didn't know were there, that during the tests of the campaign he's proven himself to be a leader and shown that the judgement he displayed about the Iraq War from the start was more than a just a speech. To imply otherwise was wrong on her part.  About the country, she learned how strongly, how desperately they want and need change.  Not some small move around the edges change, but big, drastic, central change of how Washington works.  And of herself, she learned to speak with her own voice, not some idea of how she should respond based on politics or polls.  She learned it is important both recognize and admit her mistakes, and then she needs to admit her mistake and apologize for the vote on the War.  If she could do all that I think we really could have a unity ticket which would be unstoppable.  I just don't know if that is an Obama vision of Hillary which is completely divorced from reality.


by Piuma on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:43:31 PM EST

It was true. Poll said. 88% of Americans agreed! (none / 0)


by itsadryheat on Wed May 14, 2008 at 03:30:04 AM EST
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It's been a tough primary. (none / 0)

Things are said in the heat of battle.  He said that she was disingenuous and would say anything to get elected.

At one debate last summer, the first fifteen minutes of the debate was basically all of the other candidates criticizing Obama's statement that he was willing to meet with the leaders of Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, and Syria anywhere in the world without precondition.

If he were to offer her the VP (and we are far away from that), there would be a bunch of questions for two days and then the debate would move on to something else.


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by psychodrew on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:55:07 PM EST

Re: It's been a tough primary. (none / 0)

I don't think you can apply the same old politics standards to Obama, at least not without doing some damage to the message. His message requires better answers than it was all just politicians being politicians.  It will require her eating some crow which will be her first test as VP.


by Piuma on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:01:39 PM EST
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You forgot this Hillary Quote from March (2.00 / 1)

"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

Not the sort of thing that gets you the VP position on a ticket


"You might well think that. I couldn't possibly comment"
by xenontab on Tue May 13, 2008 at 10:25:42 PM EST


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